If I get the ready2race bundle, I can get the CSL DD with a wheel and pedals for £340. Compatible with both a handbrake and shifter; there are ports for the Clubsport shifter and Clubsport handbrake, whereas the T300 only has a port for the TH8A shifter. Hey fellas, I have that one friend with an old csl elite (6nm I think) beltdriven with a tiny wheel. G29 & G27 (same internals, and then same as G923 which only adds vibration in grips of wheel). Maybe try a more variety of games and see if the issue of the torque feeling persists, Yes fanatec need to make a stronger wheelbase. It's difficult to explain. Also, an handbrake and a shifter (SHH) is on my list, but they Moza R5 vs T300. Power itself is an equation of revolutions per minute multiplied by the peak torque, and then divided by 5252. I just ordered a G923 from Logitech on the Black Friday sale for $375 ($125 off) to get some practice in before the DD Pro is ready to ship. It’ll be way more worth it to upgrade to that fanatec dd wheel. Since I can use my t300 rim. The T150 uses a hybrid system of belts & gears, though it's still notchy, it's much better than G29. It is what it is tho. Buy your CSL DD. Time for an upgrade. 3-$1. I also couldn’t figure out how to catch oversteer on it. Pedals with loadcell 2. If were to do that id just get the CSL elite f1 bundle which is $600. The G29 uses gears as internals, which are notchy and terrible and make the FFB so much worse. 2. Whereas the T300 RS is a sturdy, well-built wheel that is nothing to shake a stick at, its pedal set leaves much to be desired as does the rubbery wheel rim. Go-Bumblebee-2077. The question is which of these two should I My advice is, if you already have a drivehub and nacon/hori gamepad, go csl dd. There is a much larger gap in the experience you'll have in sim racing having no wheel vs having a T300 than there is between having a T300 vs having a CSL DD. If it weren't for the fact that the T300 have a The subreddit for Fanatec Hardware/Software/etc. the only difference between the 5nm and 8nm csl dd is the boost kit. All in for Moza is around $672. What the difference means is that the Moza has next to zero loss in terms of detail since it's basically a wheel attached to the motor. My conclusion: you should be able to feel a massive difference from the ~4NM of your T300 to the 8NM of the CSL DD. Personally, I'd go with the T300. Buy once cry once OP. Can comfirm that my CSL DD is significantly more torquey than the csl elite. I found one selling for £350 with pedals which I reckon could sell for about £80 and if I were to buy the t-gt I think I could The T300 makes a max force of 3. The CSL Elite is still better than the T300, plus you get better wheel rims and more of an upgrade path. The shipping for the CSL DD is 39$ total cost: $518. I've only modded a 2nd T300 rim to a GT/F1 style rim (acelith). The McLaren V2 wheel is awesome value as well. The t500 pedals can be mounted in gt or inverted and the quality is much much better. Regarding the possible case I lose motivation in the near future and sell my stuff on eBay and of course the higher quality of the Fanatec setup, it feels like returning the The price is very similar since i had ordered the boost kit+csl hub but i wasnt able to find a lot of info or reviews about it at the time so i figured nevermind and id just stick with the csl dd. Platform PC. I wanted to get a T300rs Gt, but then I stumbled upon the CSL DD. Dont go T300. He is playing on Xbox and I would love to surprise him with a DD and a proper rim. Then instead of having a thrustmaster belt drive and fantec direct drive, I’ll just have two fantec direct drives. for rally or drift, MOZA R9 DD + DIY Wheel will be prefer. The "new technology" in T248 is a cheaper technology: belt & gears. Obviously the R5 is much better than the T300 as it is direct drive but for the price difference how much more will I get out of the R5. DD1/2 is a little bit overkill. Thinking about the DD. Get the CSL DD and V3s. ago. Total would be roughly $1500. If you are looking at the ts-pc at $400+, i would likewise strongly recommend against it and highly recommend you take 1 more step up and get T300 is a great starter wheel, but T-GTII is a notable improvement. Comparing it with the more expensive Fanatec DD I will wait quietly for a day to see a thrustmaster DD for PS5+GT7, and when be able to buy again only the base. Jun 3, 2024 · Dive into this comprehensive guide to make the right choice! Sim Racing enthusiasts are torn between upgrading to the Fanatec CSL DD or sticking with the T300 RS GT. Although, even if thrustmaster’s track record isn’t the best, fanatec does also have many issues. Its uses potenciometer. However given the difference here is 250, if you can stretch to the DD setup, it would be the best way to go for many reasons. hub, can CSL DD still give decent forces? And what ppl think about durability with bigger steering wheels, lately we have seen how ppl have had severed shafts etc breakings in their CSL DD-bases. You could back down the 8nm and use the extra headroom to avoid clipping. Yes the csl is direct drive but the t300 also is more budget incase your just getting into simrwcing and don't wanna drop 300-600 dollars per wheel for fanatec. If you've got the budget and can get hold of one for a decent price, I'd go TS-PC or TS-XW. But; I have a semi dying t300 that served me well for 4 years. • 1 yr. CSL PS4 Compatible with Fenatec's considerably larger and more advanced ecosystem, such as their rims and pedals. So: 1. The csl DD is going to set you back around $650 on its cheapest configuration (including a wheel and pedals). It's going to be cheaper to buy a shifter at a later date than buying a new wheel base. The CSL DD 5nm can do 4nm of holding and 5nm of peak. So different price points, CSL DD is killing the CSL Elite, not the T300. I went from the t300 to the 8nm DD and I am loving it. A t300 is good but in my opinion, those belt driven and gear driven wheels are outdated now. I personally felt even the holding torque of t300 is higher than the csl dd at 5nm. It's really a class of its own. 5 - Driving with too high tyre pressure, lacks consistent power. Ras1ution2 currently does not support the CSL DD series. Judging by the hysteria around the CSL DD announcement, a fair few people appear quite keen to rush into selling their current CSL & CSWs. And besides weight, diameter also plays a role in FFB perception. If you can wait it out, Fanatec will be releasing a Sony version of the CSL DD. Hey Guys, So i have an oppertunity to buy a second hand Csl Elite base for €200. I can get the ts pc base only new for 260 shipped ATM. I know that the discount is only for the bundle, but I will try to sell the fanatec pedals as soon as they arrive. Going from the belt drive of the t300 to a DD wheel is a big step up but only if you get the 8nm version. You gotta get lucky with the realiability thought it seems. Probably the largest upgrade in terms of comfort and immersion, but the most expensive. CSL, Clubsport and Podium. DD is the future. Example: GT3 car, Daytona, I’ve got the Fanatec recommended app settings, the But even though the FFB strength was turned up to 100 in the Fanatec settings and the in-game FFB in both iRacing and ACC was set at just below clipping level, the FFB was significantly lighter than my T300 RS at similar settings. Hello guys, I will upgrade my rig in the next few months. 8 Nm is a bit on the low side, so there's still a market for the other ones. The t300 is the best choice for me, but getting the tlcm pedals is a hard buy for me because they are $200 and the t300rs gt is $400 dollars. Outside some amazing deal that leverages it in the favor of an amazing deal too good to pass up. Reply. T300 is the obvious entry choice, then you upgrade to a €700-800 kit with DD and Loadcells. I feel the smoothness of the DD without a doubt, but I expected the steering to be, you know, 50% heavier. In the end it will cost $850(with boost kit included) Seems like you’re in a similar boat to me. I have my SC2 Pro set to usually between 12-16Nm depending on the game and how long I plan to race for, and I think 10-15 is probably the sweet spot for a lot of more serious people, but this easily becomes the new best mid-entry tier wheel and kills half of Fanatec's product line. But now with shipping delayed 5 weeks im wondering if i should keep waiting it out or if i would be better off canceling it and going with the Been comparing options for a while and it came down to Fanatec csl dd vs moza r5. If you go CSL DD, I'd recommend the Moza table clamp anyway, it's compatible and beefier. I upgraded from the T300 to the T818, it was an upgrade but I found a few complications along the way. For the CSP V3 I had to pay $91. Thats my honest thoughts, others might disagree. If the normal csl elite bundle ($500) was available id just go with that one but sadly it is out of stock. I would go toward used Fanatec for that price. I'd say no I went with an upgraded spring and damper in my No - The CSL DD isn't compatible. I will be upgrading the wheel to the mclaren v2 but I think this is what Fanatec wanted so they get more of my money. The standard 5nm CSL DD with a CSL elite WRC rim, CSL pedals and the table clamp plus taxes and shipping is exactly € 700. Jul 2, 2021 · CSL DD vs T300 RS: Build Quality. If you dont, go gt dd pro cause price difference is a lot less when you include drivehub/controller with csl dd. Actually, if you are driving iracing, with irffb 5 nm is quite good, day and night compared to T300. Now I'm really courious to see some direct comparisons between the T818 and the CSL DD, because the latter costs €/$ 300 less. As soon as I tried the t300, it was obvious how much better it was over the g29. A few people commented about the csl dd but i dont think thats a good option unless you want to wait another 3 to 4 months for it. That’s with 5 NM (still higher than 300GT). However, i’ve just found an offer for a Fanatec CSL Elite Wheelbase (V1. 4. So if you know 5nm is your budget, spend that on better pedals, solid rig, monitor. xBammersx. I think belt driven FFB in my Thrustmaster T300 feels pretty good even i upgraded to a DD Pro and the elite should be better one and the stronger one compared to a T300. The thrustmaster t300rs is €299/$350 and the alcantara edition is €370/$430. 95 USD. It's closer to €700-800 with decent LC pedals and a wheel. Thrustmaster said they would be announcing a new direct drive wheel base before the end of 2021 so i'd wait for that. SwordnScale • 2 mo. That being said if cash is a problem T300RS is next best option, but I would recommend the extended warranty. The DD is better then the elite. If you have a t300, i would strongly recommend against moving to the ts-pc. T300 all the way, or t150 and if you really stick to the hobby then replace with fanatec CSL DD/Pro. Rumours seem to suggest around the end of this year/start of next. Liright on Reddit seeks advice on the upgrade from the T300 RS GT to the Fanatec CSL DD Ready2Race bundle within an 800 euro budget. The subreddit for Fanatec Hardware/Software/etc. And don't let the 400 dollar price tag fool you, it's a lot more expensive than that. With the T300 you could feel a strong resistance in fast corners or when you were driving on the limit, but the CSL DD feels so much softer in every aspect. I am playing on PC at a desk, if that matters, but not against getting a frame at some point. The issues ive had with my t300 was it If you can afford it, go straight to the CSL as it’s on another level to the G29 and better than the T300. The possibility to get literally any kind of upgrade you can think of is also great and fanatecs eco system is vast. So I’ve decided to venture out and I’ve seen mixed reviews so I’m seeking opinions Thanks for the input! I know the T300 is already around 4nm and I definitely think going up to 8-9nm would be the right range. I'd just need to get a separate wheel, thinking of the Clubsport R330 for $380. Its a differen QR system but you get an adaptor with the base for 1 wheel. Sirlacker • 2 yr. Both have more torque and are for sure better quality. The Thrustmaster T300RS GT edition with the TH8A shifter and the TM open wheel rim with shipping is € 640. Literally, the only difference between the two is the strength of the motor. 5 with the Moza. The DD feels light and easy except when bumps or other forces act on the wheel. You can always resell and probably get what you paid or more. Current shipping date is June 17th so you have some time to get your money’s worth from the G920. 82 plus the soon to be released (Aug 16 CSL DD. Edit: I feel the need to tell you that the main thing that you'll notice is the difference between having a wheel mounted on a desk and sitting in a cockpit. Unfortunately on the Fanatec site the DD Pro bundles are all sold out, but the 8nm DD Pro base is still available for $600. We will evaluate whether it can be purchased and tested. First issue I had was mounting the damn thing to my rig, I ended up using the table mounting kit to mount it, which worked but far from Where I am a T300rs with pedals is closer in price to a Logitech wheel and much cheaper than a CSL Elite wheelbase was. Hardmount 3-hole pattern, Adjustable hole positions (T-slot), Sidemount 2-hole pattern on each side. So under these circumstances I could sell my t300rs and be pretty much paying only £100 for it. If you would drift a lot I would say a wheel upgrade is a lot more important coming from a G29. If you do and will stick it out, upgrade when you can. Hi, New to sim racing! So basically this week i’ve purchased a T300RS wheel base with a SF1000 steering wheel and CSL pedals with load cells. Let's take Kyalami turn 6 or turn 12 for example, with the T300 I could feel when I needed to slow down to turn the wheel more, because there was so much resistance, but with the CSL DD, I TS PC is a much better wheel, higher nm, more detailed ffb etc. T300. My only other path is to go the DD GT and CSLs or V3s at $1. I will buy an Sim 1 Evo rig next year in Q1 and probably already this year the Fanatec clubsport V3 pedals. I'm struggling a bit to see the point of the R3 to be honest. I've had both wheels, the t300 with sparco 383 wheel, for maybe 7 months, then sidegraded to a csl elite, and used that for about 5 months. Coming from the t300 where the shifting actually felt tactile and had a comfortable oomph to them these felt flaccid and underwhelming at best. The CSL dd and a basic rim would cost atleast 520 shipped. I came to the decision by calculating that the CSL DD is cheaper than any configuration of TS-PC + rim, or even the Ferrari challenge edition. The TS-PC was just very heavy all the time if you turned up the ffb. Like the other commenter said, the load cell is definitely worth the upgrade and will make you faster because I bought the CSL Ready2Race bundle - it came with the CSL DD, CSL pedals and CSL BMW wheel. The rim is also only 11 inches on the t300 which i find way too small whereas its 12 on the t500 which is still small but a realistic round rim size. I also bought the 8nm addon, the McLaren GT3 V2 wheel and the CSL LC (loadcell) kit in addition to the above. Which is super fine using t300 rs and no complaint here whatsoever, but I've heard that mounting to desk with csl dd sucks I am really most into rally (wrc 8,9,10, dirt, dirt 2) and was wondering how much better the experience would be with dd csl, and if it would be mountable to a desk using desk clamp for dd csl. Thrustmaster announces the T818 direct drive wheelbase. You could crank it to maximum and use the full 8nm because you think 5nm is too weak. Back up now! All current wheels will work with the new base. After what now appears to be quite normal - taking delivery of my items, using them for a week and then having to send the CSL DD back to I run a CSL Elite and DD Pro. Noticeably stronger FFB compared to the T300. . Or get the 5nm but plan to upgrade to 8nm, diy kit if you are confident. Yes, relative to the T300 it was an upgrade, FFb better, and the transducer is an unmissable bonus that brings the ride to life. T300 - Driving with perfect tyres but bad dampers on your suspension, lacks consistent power. Buy the t300rs. So yeah the good news is with the boost kit it transforms into an awesome wheel. I actually got a really good deal on a used T300 and the TLCMs so even if I sell the T300 and pass on the good deal to someone else I Over this year I have upgraded from a full thrustmaster set (TX Leather Edition, TM-LCM Pro, TH8A) to a full fanatec set (CS Pedals V3, CS Shifter SQ V1. Honestly I sold my old t300, upgraded to sc2 pro and a bunch of other stuff. Moza is the one you'll have to pay import taxes on. The ache in my wrists is evidence enough. I used to own a thrustmaster t300 but got rid when I moved house. Incredibly well built and featured for $200. I'd rather have a decent wheel now and be able to have fun right away than to save for a better one later on and have to wait. On the other side, the CSL DD’s hefty base is made of aluminum with carbon fiber CSL-DD. From any TM wheel to DD will be a massive jump. I have currently a Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Edition and quite happy which the wheel itsel. Although mine has been ok so far, there has been worrying amounts of issues reported, here on reddit as well. 1. But about CSL DD in 8nm form, how's ffb when you use bigger, 320-330mm wheels, either solid wheels or with un. Best bang for buck ffb, and smoothness, and quietness, and fidelity detail. The c5 can do 5nm of holding torque and peaks of 6nm. I have the CSL DD pro and it’s fantastic. So, should I buy CSL DD Pro 8nm base? edit. Metal quick release over cheap fragile plastic quick of CSLDD. But you would do fine with either setup, just going to come down to your budget preference. The gap between these two in terms of build quality is quite dramatic. Since the TS-XW is more towards the 5 Nm range, I could say that somewhere between 6 and 8 Nm is the sweet spot, depending on the game and settings (FFB is a topic for itself), This sums up the 5 vs 8 Nm CSL DD dilemma pretty well, it's better to have that top-end just in Doesn't necessarily mean the holding torque is higher than t300. Podium - Responds perfectly but something between the wheel and tyres needs a bit of lube. I came from a csl elite to the csl DD with boost kit and am waiting for the clubsport wheel to be delivered so Im using the p1 wheel at the moment. I can’t provide any insight to the CSL having never used it, but I’d certainly advise against the T818. Only the wheelbase is at that price, but you still need to buy a wheelbase, and pedals, so in total, it would be 1000$. 29. With the latest firmware, the podium bases are super smooth. If you've got the cash go for it (I've owned both). its hard to even consider a t300 when compared to a csl dd if one is being honest. Speaking from my own experience after buying a CSL DD 5nm, Desk clamp, CSL pedals (non-LC) and CSL P1 V2 in April: I upgraded from using the desk clamp and desk chair with rubber coasters to a Playseat Trophy. One to compete against the g923/t300 It is in no way a competitor to the Logitech G wheels or T300. T150. Which that base is better than the t500/t300/tx bases. But still the difference is not that big. Fan mode always on and the power supply is pushing 30 volts. Thrustmaster keeps advertising tgt2 as durable ans reliable. Do the P1 wheels crack on the shaft by any chance? Old thread, but the T300 is still €300 with base, wheel and pedals. I have a couple of T300RS servos with modded, beefier power supplies. Personally I wouldn't bother with those entry level fanatec pedals either and would be looking to get the v3 pedals which would be lightyears ahead, albeit for a couple of hundred quid more. I can get a new thrustmaster TS -XW next day Now I've jumped onto the 8 Nm CSL DD and had it for the last month or so. Is a day and night difference between the two, tons more feedback and total engagement. I got them all at a great price and scoured for a while. CW2. 5, and just a few days ago, CSL DD) and my opinion is that every piece of upgrade has been a huge improvement, especially CSL DD. I play only on PC. Right now I can get either wheel bundle at similar cost ($500): CSL DD for $400 plus $100 desk mount through their website I play on ps5 and have owned a g29 for about a year and a half now. The CSL DD has a maintained force of 5NM or 8NM with the boost kit. The t500 has stronger ffb, inverted pedals, and a larger wheel rim. I ended up with a simucube pro and it's definitely better but also costs a lot more. Since my first wheelbase was a T300 (5nm maybe) and it’s been working quite well with a 35cm deepdish wheel, I think the force wouldn’t be much of a problem. I went TS-PC and have no regrets. Waiting for the CSL DD and the pedals. 3. The CSL DD Ready2Race Bundle for PC (5 Nm) combines the CSL Steering Wheel P1 V2 with the CSL DD and CSL Pedals. Definitely. The t300 is also know to overheat easily and lose ffb, ive had one before and it happens a lot. However, the Fanatec ecosys is pricey, and wheels will cost more than a T300 base itself. Id have to agree. You might want to consider a CSL DD for the money you are spending. I instantly understood when I was losing grip vs just guessing with the g29. TSPC or TSXW if at a reasonable price, else T300, because newer technology than T500 and a bit more accurate, although less power. I believe the T300 to be belt driven whilst the Moza R5 is direct drive. 6k AUD vs around $700 (maybe cheaper if I wait for a good sale) for the the T-GT2 base and wheel. The difference between the GT pro and t300 is night and day as much as I loved my t300 the GT DD PRO is worth the extra money, I get the comments saying get the t300 for now but unless you can find a good priced second hand one I'd save as the price of a new t300 isn't really that far off the standard GT DD PRO price and by the time you come to upgrading you won't be able to sell the t300 for Conclusion: It's a bit better than the T300 in terms of its force feedback and smoothness in the base version and the overall quality feels appropriate for the price. T300 Vs t-gt. -The pedals. CSL DD - Responds perfectly, is lubed and oiled perfectly. The dd1 is way better after software updates after those reviews were released. I would go with Moza R9 other than Csl dd: 1. Seriously that is a bonkers price. But its only 2nm more then the elite if you have the boostkit. I run long practice sessions and multiple races a day and I have yet to feel any power loss. I would love the fanatec dd csl but don’t want to wait months to receive it and have worries of the faf with warranty ship back. Going to release four new wheels in the next year that will work with old bases. Obviously the CSL DD is amazing with 8nM of force, but pedals are also important. If you have that budget between the T300 and TS-XW, then the CSL-DD is a no brainer. I pretty much play GT7 exclusively, and the FFB is very good. Keep an eye out for used Fanatec CSL bases. The Fanatec CSL Elite will cost me €550 (which is 650USD including shipping), and it's without the load cell pedal btw, that's another €140/$165. Better options to switch wheels to than the thrustmaster series as the universal hub from fanatec fits other non-fanatec rims. I’m currently using the Logitech g29 and it’s become a little problematic with accelerating and breaking issues. As to how that applies to you, that really depends what you want to do. In the leaked pics we saw a plastic/glass infused version of the QR-2 with the PS DD, but obviously QR-2 isn't ready yet. The belt driven, whilst still really good, can lose the finer details. I want to upgrade to something better but don’t know if it’s worth splurging on a GT DD pro or if I should just save my money and get a t300rs gt. The DD Pro is a great value and better wheelbase. 50 USD shipping, so I guess they include it in the shipping cost. It'll be a good bit stronger than the R3, has the good QR and includes a table clamp (and it's much better than the Fanatec table clamp). Only the shipping + price. I'm wondering if the CSL Elite is a much better experience than the t300 for quite a lot more money. Both are bundle options (as of July 2023). Get a t300 now or a fantec and figure out if you like sin racing. If you are looking into either of these, i would probably lean t300 as it is a much better value if you get a bundle for <$300. And the WRC wheel will be upgraded and the pedals will get their load cell in the future. Increased cornering strength and stronger road texture feedback were the biggest differences but the csl dd does feel smoother. I currently own a t300 and was wondering whether it would be worth upgrading to a second hand t-gt, i also have the T-lcm pedals already and would therefore be selling the pedals that come with the t-gt. And then the CSL Load cell kit for $200 and CS Shifter for $260. And this is a better tech. Fanatec has 3 lineups. 9 nm vs 5 nm) but I sure didn't expect it to feel as light as it did. Too much power tbfh. G923 is also the same loud and 900 degrees of rotation but according to owners that owned both G29 and G923, G923 has improved pedals and a softer brake pedal also a bit improved force feedback. Just feel like the DD is a good starting point. I went from the t300 rs gt to the csl ready to race bundle with loadcell. Hope you get to the bottom of this and find out what's wrong. The CSL DD is €350 for the base only. Compare. I’m looking at getting another wheel. Thrustmaster T300 vs DD1. I would then be able to sell the pedals on Ebay as I already have the CSL LC pedals and get about 60-80 pound back. I'm new to the scene and want a "beginner DD wheel and pedals" I put in an order for a Cammus C5 with mount and pedals that came in at $420 (including $100 worth of shipping)Then this week hit and Microcenter had the Moza R5 at basically the same price $426 without tax. You feel so much more detail. We will know for sure when (if) people buy it and test it out. The T300 is very much a low to mid range belt driven wheel whereas the TS PC is high end belt driven wheel. I know people say CSL DD has more upgrade paths, but I don't intend to upgrade unless it's to fix something bad. To my surprise, I'm having a great time driving with the T300 compared to my Elite and DD Pro! G29 had a weird dead zone in the middle, loud gear noises and felt noticeably weaker and you could feel the notches of the gears. The Fanatec bundle was their 5nm csl dd $371. DD is definitely worth the 250. I had a Logitech g920 but felt I wanted a more detailed driving experience so I got a dd wheel. • 2 yr. I'm starting to get calibration and ffb issues and have to run the motor calibrator every 3 days to fix it. When the csl dd GT7 version drops, I’ll buy that and ditch my t300. Okay guys I’m a novice. I received the R300 with the hub and the CSP v3 brake upgrade kit. It's easily worth twice the price for the features you get. Without this kit, the elite is even 1nm stronger. Of course the 8Nm DD feels much stronger than the t300 but the 5nm didn't make me go wow this is so much better than a T300. Ill-Succotash2629. There is also DriveHub as an alternative, but reading some recent comments, it's not always plug and play and sometime wasn't detected, required delicate startup processes etc too function. a true night and day. that is why more expansive pedals use loadcells instead of potenciometers. Much better wheelbase. I upgraded myself from t300 to csl dd, got it in the first batch in late august. 9NM (it absolutely can't maintain this even on a new unit, a minute or two and you are throttled to hell ffb wise). Mode Button Integrated with power button. Those setups come with wheelbase, rim and pedals. The problem is that it measures travel to deterimine brake pressure. And - very important - he says that there is absolutely no cogging: the base is totally smooth. The R9 feels much more torque than the Csl dd, and more details. Paddle shifter adjustability No. I wasn't expecting a big jump in strength (3. These were average out of the box. Not to say there was anything particularly wrong with the As far as feedback according to reviews, a csl elite is comparable to the ts-pc bases. The CSLDD 8nm boost kit version, does 6nm of holding torque and 8nm of peak torque. Buying/Selling Is Allowed! Help… is the DD pro worth the money. Did you notice any improvements in the way you could feel the road and car or is the T300 still on par with DD wheels in that regard? That’s my main interest, is if the DD has better road and car feedback. 1) for £110 and they’re accepting offers…. Fanatec DD Pro plus LCM-pedal plus pedal tuning kit is a total of 880€, leaving a difference of almost exactly 300€. Brake pedal should measure pressure on the pedal, not travel. Where as you gain 2-2. CSL DD 8NM. I am coming from a G920 (this is my second post as I feel as though having G920 in the title originally put people off responding to me) from what I have heard the T300 is much smoother And yes, from the t-gt there is no way up, while csl dd is only the beginning. I would really like to know how much better the fine effects on the Fanatec are. And offcourse the DD is direct drive. wheelbase (ffb) - bit smoother, much more quiet, much more responsive (you feel the ffb effects quicker)/sharper ffb effects, no worries about ffb fade (although I didn't have a lot of issues with the T300 in that regard Skip Thrustmaster entirely and order the CSL DD when your money and fanatecs inventory line up. The DD just gets you a wheelbase and nothing else. You will then realize it's a dd and felt power more than doubles. I went back and forth and with the settings set right (YouTube and/or Fanatec recommendations) the T300RS feels maybe even a touch heavier in the steering. For me, the feeling is actually that it feels lighter and much easier to move than the TS-PC wheel, even though the forces are stronger. If you’re just looking to have fun and not spend too much money go for the t300 then. The 5nm CSL DD has no real wow factor and doesn't feel that much better. My budget is € 700 ( $ 830 ). And that you could replace the rim on the original wheel with. T248 they say it has a bit slow rotation, slower than G29, G923 and T300 and has very loud shifts, the wheel and the buttons should be as quiet as I don’t really have an upgrade path otherwise. I don't even use my 320mm rim on my 8Nm CSL DD (universal hub), because a smaller rim on it just feels so much better. Grip material Overmolded rubber. From Moza $499 plus 12" wheel upgrade ($79), pedal performance ($29) $607 product plus shipping of $65. I think its a better option. Buying/Selling Is Allowed! CSL DD Vs CSL DD Pro (PS) Identical motor in a different case, kinda odd. problem in logitech pedals is not how hard or soft is it. Moza R5 bundle vs Cammus C5. Decided to buy the Fanatec CSL DD while it's still on discount. Add in a $200 wheel and some decent pedals and you're FAR above the pricing of these more low-mid range setups. My platflorm is currently Xbox but later years I’d like pc. fy do mb hn go hk gb ja io yq